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meaning citizens and welcome to unknown

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I'm Jason McClellan thanks for hanging

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out with me unidentified flying objects

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appear in countless photographs and

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videos every year some of these UFOs are

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nebulous lights in the sky while others

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are highly detailed aerial craft

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although the objects in some of these

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videos and photos appear quite

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compelling modern technology has

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diminished the evidentiary strengths of

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modern UFO photos and videos freely

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available photo and video editing

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software make image manipulation easy

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enough for even a child anyone with the

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right software some free time and a

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little skill can add a believable

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realistic UFO to a photo or video but

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what about the countless UFO photographs

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and film shot before the prevalence of

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computers and editing software many of

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the objects in these vintage photos and

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films were hoaxed using models pie tins

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hubcaps etc but there are also instances

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where something anomalous was genuinely

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captured on film and subjected to

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repeated scientific analysis one of

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these better known examples is referred

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to as the Montana movie

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in 1950 38 year-old Nicholas Nick

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Mariana was the general manager of the

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select ryx a local minor league baseball

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team and farm club to the Brooklyn

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Dodgers in Great Falls Montana on August

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5th 1950 after calling the ballpark

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groundskeeper from the grandstand

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Mariana looked north and noticed two

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bright silvery disc shaped aerial

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objects his secretary

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Virginia running reportedly witnessed

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these UFOs as well intrigued he raced to

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grab his film camera from his car now

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how many people had film cameras in 1950

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but as Joan Byrd explains in her book

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Montana UFOs and extraterrestrials

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Mariano was a graduate of the University

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of Montana School of Journalism after

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capturing a train rack on film he kept

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his Revere 16 millimeter magazine turret

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movie camera in his car so he would

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always be prepared to capture anything

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newsworthy his preparedness paid off

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that day as he was able to capture the

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UFOs on film for 15 seconds according to

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his testimony in the 1956 documentary

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Mariana described the disks appeared to

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be spinning like the top and we're about

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50 feet across and about 50 yards apart

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I could not see any exhaust wings or any

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kind of fuselage there was no cabin no

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odor no sound except I thought I heard a

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whooshing sound when I first saw them as

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the film clicked through the camera I

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could see the objects moving southeast

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behind the General Mills grain building

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and the black water tank directly south

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of the ballpark I filmed the objects

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until they disappeared into the blue sky

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behind the water tank

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Maryana notified local afternoon daily

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newspaper the Great Falls Ledger about

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his sighting and about his film which

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prompted the paper to run a front-page

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story that same day

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after developing the film Mariana showed

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the footage around to local community

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groups during the months of September

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reporter suggested to Mariana that he

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should have the Air Force analyzed the

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Mariana agreed and on September 13th

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commanding general of the air Materiel

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general of the film's existence

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Lieutenant Colonel James O'Connell at

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Wright Patterson instructed Captain John

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P brine Olson who is in charge of the

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Great Falls district of the Air Force

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Office of Special Investigations to

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visit Mariana and obtain his film a

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letter detailed O'Connell's instructions

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to brine Olsen according to Montana UFOs

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and extraterrestrials this specific

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letter read quote in approaching mr.

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Mariana for the films you are requested

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to exercise every caution so as not to

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unduly excite his curiosity or interest

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or in any wise have him conclude that

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the Air Force may have reversed its

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policy from that previously announced

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with regards to the existence or

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nonexistence of such non-conventional

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objects in this connection you should

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avoid any detailed discussion advising

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simply that the Air Force is always

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interested in any item that will

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contribute to the fund of technical

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intelligence it is requested that the

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films be obtained and transmitted to the

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intelligence department at air Materiel

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Command in quote brine Olson visited

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although he was reportedly frustrated at

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brinel Dessen's refusal to engage in

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conversation Mariana submitted his film

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for analysis

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UFO historian Richard Dolan explains in

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his book UFOs in the national security

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state chronology of a cover-up 1941 to

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1973 that when Marianas film was

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returned to him project grudge which was

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the Air Force's official UFO

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investigation project during the time of

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Marianas sighting suggested the objects

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in Marianas film could have been to f94

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fighter jets flying in the area at the

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time of the sighting what Mariana and

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his secretary disagreed they had seen

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the Jets in a different part of the sky

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curiously despite reaching the jet

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conclusion the official press statement

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from grudge claimed the film was quote

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too dark to distinguish any objects in

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quote project grudge became Project Blue

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Book in 1952 Blue Book's director

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Captain Edward J rappel reopened the

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investigation into Marianas film mariana

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reluctantly released his film to the Air

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Force for a second analysis in January

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1953 rappelled presented Blue Book's

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best UFO evidence to a scientific panel

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organised by the Central Intelligence

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Agency or CIA this panel was officially

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called the scientific advisory panel on

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unidentified flying objects but is more

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commonly referred to as the Robertson

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panel named after panel chair H P

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Robertson a physicist from California

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Institute of Technology repelled

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presented Marianas film which he called

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the Montana movie as one of the panel's

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feature attractions rappelled explained

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to the panel that balloons birds and

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meteors had been ruled out as possible

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explanations for the objects in Marianas

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film he then addressed the previously

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suggested possibility that the UFOs were

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f94 fighter jets and he concluded the

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flight paths and landing patterns of the

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two Jets that were in the air that day

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were not quote anywhere close to where

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the two UFOs had

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in quote repeal also explained that the

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UFOs were too steady to have been

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reflections

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despite repels presentation the panel

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was content with the jet explanation

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mariana claimed that when the Air Force

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returned his film the second time 35 of

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the best frames were missing the Air

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film but claimed only one damaged frame

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was removed but others who saw the

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original film including Marianas

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secretary his attorney and the reporter

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from The Great Falls ledger agreed that

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part of the film was missing when the

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Air Force returned it to Mariana more

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than the single frame claimed by the Air

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Force in Montana UFOs and

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extraterrestrials joan bird points to

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further evidence supporting the

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significant film-like discrepancy she

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explains that in brine Olsen's official

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letter of transmittal to

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wright-patterson he noted he was sending

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15 feet of film but brine Elson told the

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reporter he only picked up eight feet of

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film from Mariana the Condon committee

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and Air Force funded UFO study at the

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University of Colorado also examined

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explains that this committee concluded

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that the evidence quote eliminated the

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possibility of the objects being Birds

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balloons mirages or meteors in quote and

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further a quote considered it unlikely

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although not impossible that the objects

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were Jets end quote the history of UFO

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investigations by the Air Force is

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shadowed by bias and secret agendas in

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his book the report on unidentified

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flying objects repelled explains quote

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to one who is intimately familiar with

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UFO history it is clear that project

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grudge had a two-phase program of UFO

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annihilation

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the first phase consisted of explaining

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every UFO report the second phase was to

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tell the public how the Air Force had

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solved all the sightings this project

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grudge reasoned would put an end to the

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UFO reports in quote astronomer dr. J

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Allen Hynek who served as a consultant

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for project grudge and Project Blue Book

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and as an associate member of the

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Robertson panel was also disenchanted

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with the government's UFO investigation

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efforts he stated in an interview that

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he came away from the Robertson panel

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feeling that it had quote deliberately

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moved to debunk the whole subject and

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not to give it the serious scientific

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attention which it deserved unquote the

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local community in Great Falls Montana

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still remembers Marianas UFO sighting

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and as a tribute to the event in 2008

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the community renamed this Electric's

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baseball team which became the electrics

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in 1952 the Great Falls voyagers

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complete with extraterrestrial themed

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branding whether the various

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investigations into Nick Marianas film

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were corrupted is unknown although some

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evidence suggests the Air Force removed

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footage from the original film this

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claim can't be substantiated but despite

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the repeated suggestion that the objects

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in Marianas film were Jets repelled and

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others who investigated the case were

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convinced the objects were not Jets

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Condon committee investigator David R

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where the Condon committee went wrong

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that the Mariana case quote did more

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than any other single case in quote to

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convince him that quote there is

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something to the UFO problem unquote

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through the discrepancies and

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controversy Marianas Montana movie

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remains one of the most intriguing and

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best UFO films ever captured

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if you're interested in a more detailed

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account of this interesting case

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including an overview of the air force's

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history of UFO investigations I highly

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recommend reading Joan Byrd's book

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difficulty locating unknown on a

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specific podcast platform the unknown

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page on the website has links to most of

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them if you don't see the link to your

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favorite place for podcasts go ahead and

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reach out to me and I'll be happy to

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help you find the show big thanks to our

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talented friend and fellow rogue planet

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Eire Caleb thanks for the show's intro

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and outro music check out all his work

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at the Clark Chronicles calm thanks

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again for hanging out with me today I'm

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Jason McClellan do us a favor friends

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always treat the UFO subject with the

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cautious and responsible skepticism it

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deserves question everything have the

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courage to form your own opinions keep

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truth as the focus of your quest even if

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the truth conflicts with your opinions